spout your own judgments about others
I bet you cant.
and does that not also extends to not judging if they are judging ?
My definition of #lying may be different … but when we speak of you, lets use the definition you apply to others.
I also said our definitions most likely differ.
So, in effect, you just called yourself a liar and I had no part in it.
#BuhBye Note it took a little over 35 minutes to get your own #RWG & #AlreadyAlwaysArguing going this morning.
One might wonder why you would want to get others going this way, but I don’t. I remember stories of yours of how you would print out things from other peoples accounts to embarrass them when they left their account open on their computers. It is just the kind of thing you like to do … making believe it is your job to do it is even better for you. I simply call it bullying. It is not Golden Rule based … and neither is getting others going.
then too is not the mere harboring of a belief about another a judgment? is it not best to experience them through your senses in real time, rather than letting your beliefs from the past form most of your experience of them?
If i listen to your actions, expecting you will be motivated according to my beliefs about you, am i not prejudging your very actions? …. which, of course, in a fight is a winning strategy.
“is it not best to experience them through your senses in real time” … believing is seeing … my senses are determined by my beliefs. If I change core beliefs, what I sense will also change, even directly physically. Haven’t you ever experienced something hot as cold, or cold as hot? That is just a special case where beliefs and sensory experience gets crossed. In truth, all sensory experience is an outcome of beliefs. As Abraham says, our senses interpret vibration of energy, that’s all. What we represent those vibrations to be as physical manifestation is based on what we believe.
I think that is what I said … those “doings” are what you enjoy, Golden Rule or not. Right?
is not a term i got “from you” … or even in opposition to #LOA or to nathan’s stated philosophy ...
“expecting others will be motivated according to my beliefs about them”
term constructed by seth
rather it is a term i constructed myself …
and is, #btw, not the kind of expectation that culture in myself …
rather the opposite,
i had thought that i was clear on that.
But in constructing that term i noticed that is is a useful stratagy for Generals in war.
Mayby it would be best to consider your constructions, beliefs, etc in another thread …
and not just in comparison to mine.
for example ...
… which, #btw, was not what i meant.
is your reading of what i said to mean “something about your #LOA practice”, an example of you “expecting me to be motivated according to your beliefs about what i believe about your #LOA practice” ?seth’s question to nathan
i realize that we are getting into #MirrorMirrorBack phenomena here … but at some point to #grock what is happening we need to be able to identify each reflection in the #feedback loop … intuitively intending to avoid the negative ones just according to our #LOA excitements … do we not?
“expecting you will be motivated according to my beliefs about you”
is a radically different thing than
“expecting that a person will behave according to your beliefs about them”
Those two are not even related to each other, yet you seemed to switch them around in the same context here as if they are at least similar, if not the same thing. One is from the point of the view of the other, and one is from the point of view of self. Entirely different structures of time and space and experience happen in each of those very different environments.
Don’t forget, pronouns are varibles … just like me
Yes there is a difference between …
“motivated according to beliefs” and
“behave according to beliefs”.
but i don’t see how that difference is salient in this context.
To better #grock what is happening i really do think that we need to be able to at least imagine that we are feeling like we are standing in the other’s actual shoes (#empathy), yet know that it us just imagineing the switch … and still know that we are living together … yet being ourselves. ← which is a wierd sentence to write, and i am not so very sure i have it the best way yet.
tag #feedback #GoldenRule
i understand that the differences in the “structures of time and space and experience” are only the differences in being you, or being me. I can’t grock what else they might be.
Entirely different structures of time and space and experience happen in each of those very different environments.
So yes, experiencing as you or experiencing as me is sooo very different … there is no doubt about that …. but in this particular context there is no difference that is important, at least to me. Unless of course, you are the entire universe, and i but the mere mortal that i am. But that will never #RingTrue over here …
so, sorry i don’t buy your “very different environments” assertion in this context … i it anyway .
And that is exactly what I replied with.
You are putting two things together, because in a universe they must need to be together, but in a multi-verse, they are only connected via shared beliefs … and this is all a multi-verse, even if one can view it as a universe when they desire to experience it that way.
Perhaps, that is what you experience, unless you believe otherwise.
especially the part …
I have always said that differently, but mine is words to the same effect
no belief is possible about [what actually is] that would just be more #MakeShitUp stuff
tag #AbsoluteTruth #absolute
And if you try to resolve that by saying that there is some one what IS, and each person simply perceives it differently, then you are making yet another assumption. There is no proof of that at all, and in fact, the majority of the evidence speaks to the fact that there is not one what IS. Only long standing tradition of thinking makes it a common assumption. Even young children don’t make that assumption, it has to be learned.
All that we know is that what IS, IS. There is nothing else we actually know that we didn’t imagine about it. So, is it my selfie, or yours?