But there is another possible approach to Trump on the part of judges, and it so far seems to be the majority response and the prevailing one. (Remember, after all, that Bybee is in dissent here). And that is the one we hypothesized in our piece on the presidential oath of office:
The question is whether the revolt of the judges we are currently witnessing is the beginning of this world.
Which #RingingTrue … and yes that is what the #MSM is saying too … even many #republicans
When you #CallWolf all too frequently people loose #trust in what you say.
Not something that we want to happen with our president.seth
But i note if there is any truth to #Trump’s allegations, which somebody we can #trust says as well, then things switch around and #Trump gets even more power to make up things the way he wants them to be.
We will be #molded.
#guck, i hate it when that happens.
The cry wolf phenomena is something that happens, but compared to the phenomena of engineering what people are actually thinking about, it’s peanuts. So have been all the other frames.
The bottom line is it doesn’t matter at all what Trump does or how he does it. The only thing that matters going forward is what Trump gets people to think about. That’s it. And that’s all you ever have to figure out when analyzing Trump.
Your priorities make no sense to me at all.
yes, attention mongering is his strategy, that is what he is actually doing.
This is between me and him (me and the world, relative to you), i am telling #Trump that America and the rest of the world is starting to loose #trust in his leadership – which was also the message in the about link.
But notice that i am hedging my bet here … if the previous administration actually did cause (or profit from) surveillance of #Trump, and that becomes the narrative, then the opposite will happen. Then it will look like there really was a wolf there. Then America will #trust his word even more. #guck i hate it when that happens with a #liar.
Though I think it is only a pet peeve of yours to so venomously keep harping on Trump being a liar. Trump may be a deliberate liar, and for certain Hillary Clinton was a pathological liar and probably lied more deeply and often than Trump has … same for most Presidents. The least in my time was probably Regan.
Calling Trump a liar as if it means something is like calling a stove “hot”. You are just noticing it more because he doesn’t try to hide it.
i said it to say that i suspect he #CallWolf’s.
America will #trust him less, unless
“there actually is a #wolf” becomes the narrative .
i love honesty … it is good for humanity.
it is what i am into … it is what i do.
i am sorry if you are not.
Truth is simply something a person thinks until it is so … i.e. navigates to that particular set of circumstances via their beliefs.
Authenticity is who someone is and how they behave … it is where they have been and where they are.
to me #honesty and/or #authenticity means that my #insides are telling the same vibration as are my #outsides appropriately in context.
#btw the condition, i called “appropriately in context”, was discussed at the last meeting of the #SocratesCafe with the question: How much truth do we need? … there being cases, as pointed out by #karen, where being honest can cause more harm than telling a #lie.
Truth is relative too. Authenticity is absolute. It is exactly what you are in this moment, and independent from the circumstances you find yourself in. As Karen points out, you can be authentic and not tell what you believe is the truth, in that moment and circumstance.
To be authentic is to follow your inner guidance, to know how to follow your YES, and to realize that truth is only a point of perspective and which reality you actualized for your senses, in this moment, to perceive … which may or may not align with others depending on what beliefs are shared between you.
but drilling down anyay ....
There is a case where one’s “inner guidance” is already at odds with the world …
and to compensate one lies.
To me that would be a case of not being honest … and/or not being authentic (same thing).
… and a person can lie and still be authentic, for instance Karen’s case.
Truth is based on beliefs. Authenticity is based on beingness. They are different things when you understand the place of each in the cosmos.
can you talk about the specific case i brought up above?
I’m sorry. I can’t help you see something you always left turn before you get to the vantage point where you can see it from. And I don’t think this case above is going to help with that. We have been over this many more ways than this one, including this one, before. You will have to actually complete the journey to that vista where you can see the distinctions I am talking about here, before talking about what you can see from there will be useful. My continuing to describe to you what you can see from that vista point is never going to let your eyes actually see it. Once you go there and see it, then we can talk about what we see.
Rather this is about what being honest … and/or being authentic… means. I don’t get any distinction there. And yes i am using your definition of lie.
To get us around the differences in language only, i introduced the term “honesty” … deep honesty , defining it as where one’s #insides … even down to what you call “inner guidance” … are telling the same story as their #outsides. That may well be what you call “authenticity”.
For specific examples of people’s honesty #against the world try #snowden, #ThomasMore, or even my friend #aaron. Those are life and death stories … not little trivial games.
… or maybe just avoid the inquiry into what to do when one’s inner guidance is at odds with the world … and instead turn this into a #ParentChild transaction from you to me … or maybe some mirrored #Bullshit from me to you.
#btw … and this part is about me …
my “inner guidance” (intuition) is not at odds with the deepest part of the world of which i .
You don’t go. That is about you. This is not about authenticity and truth. This is about going to the place where you can easily see the distinction between them. It’s like seeing in black and white, verses seeing in color. No amount of words will suffice until a person who sees in black and white chooses to go to the place where they can see in color. And yes, even that is a “choice” … some have made it, most think it is only physical and genetic, so they don’t even try.
Yes, you are very good at that left turn. You know how to do it well, no matter what options are available, no matter who is showing you otherwise. You have that left turn down so well nothing can shake you from making it.
in this case it appears that #Trump got information from judge Napolitano who got it from a broadcast on Russian TV.