What is happening in Sweden?
Is this “report” about #sweden a gross exaggeration
or is approximately happening as reported?
here is some journalism from #CbsnewsCom 60 minutes in Australia
which supports #Trump’s comments
Police force pushed to breaking point by violence amid migrant influx...
REVEALED: The fakest fake news checkers…
XOR why you are looking at this situation – (4674.5 miles) except the MEGAPHONE got you!
Is #Trump #MakeShitUp’ing to manipulate people’s minds to support his travel ban to America …
or is this a situation best avoided by draconian measures?
#thanks → mark for the articles, i’ll read them in time. this is not the top of my current agenda.
Here is something being reported in the Swedish press …
Two Swedish police officers were interviewed in the film. Anders Göranzon and Jacob Ekström answered questions about how weapons are becoming more accessible. Horowitz also asked the officers about how crime has spread through cities. But the police officers now say that their answers were taken out of context, and are very critical of how their comments were portrayed on Fox News ”Tucker Carlson Tonight”. ”I don’t understand why we are a part of the segment. The interview was about something completely different to what Fox News and Horowitz were talking about”, says Anders Göranzon.
Why were you interviewed?
”It was supposed to be about crime in high risk areas. Areas with high crime rates. There wasn’t any focus on migration or immigration”.
How did you react to the news segment?
”We don’t stand behind it. It shocked us. He has edited the answers. We were answering completely different questions in the interview. This is bad journalism.”
Anders Göranzon continues: ”It feels like hell. The real questions should be shown along with our answers. We don’t own the rights to the film, but the end result is that we don’t want to talk to journalists after this. We can’t trust each other.”
Have you done anything to stop the news segment?
”We just saw it. What can we do? One thing is talking to you. The excerpt they showed doesn’t say anything, we answered a different question. We don’t stand behind what he says. He is a madman.”
who are we to believe?
The whole article is well worth a detailed read.
In the middle of the town of Kumanovo sit the grandiose City Archives, the red and yellow Macedonian flag fluttering above the entrance. I make my way down the side of the building and open a sheet metal gate, finding myself in a courtyard full of junk. There is a broken cement mixer, some homemade ladders, and a car being repaired.
Ivan Stankovic opens the door drowsily, bending down under the boiler stuck to the wall as he invites me to sit on his sofa, which also doubles as his bed.
His grandfather built the house, which nowadays leans in several directions at once and looks as if it is about to collapse under its own weight. His father lives on the top floor, and took out a bank loan to buy his son a computer.
It was from that computer that Ivan posted an article on his home page on the 8th December 2016. The piece was about how Muslims had defecated and masturbated in a church in Sweden.
“It was a real hit”, Ivan says. “The second I read the headline I knew that it was going to run like crazy. It hits people right in the head.”
Ivan waves his arms about, a caricature of an outraged American.
”’How can this shit be!? It’s not possible!’ It has become my job to figure out what people in the US want to read, topics that they want to share with their friends. Donald, Melania… Islam, Muslims. Everybody clicks on stuff like that.”
The headline of Ivan’s article read: Liberal church houses Muslim refugees, horrified by what they find in pews.
The numbers are pretty detailed:
The story reached 12,880 of those following Ivan’s page on Facebook.
The piece was shared 110 times.
Knowing what is really going on in #sweden is quite a challenge indeed!
But #MakeShitUp’ing and imagining it is as easy as pie.
even the source from Macidonia … far away from #sweden … had his own #clickbait motives for #MadeUpShit’ing. me thinks the trick is to find several sources with no axe to grind and no motive to twist the facts … then see if their stories are consistent and if they are close enought to the ground to be fair witnesses. that is not an easy task. emoting against partisan actors on either side just distracts from finding the truth.
but i don’t know what you are asking that bears on that pursuit … or how spending time contemplating your “questions” helps in the inquiry.
you either have not understood anything that i have said on the subject, or you are impling a #LIE
It hangs together well and is consistent with most of what i have read.
Some statements by the CNN’s author caught my eye …
Observers are able to choose from two versions of the truth -- a dark view of a crime-ridden Scandinavian country or a brighter view of a society supporting refugees and migrants.
The disturbing depiction of Sweden in Horowitz’s short film matches what some right-wing bloggers and commentators say about the country. But it is contradicted by crime statistics and other sources.
those matches, … those agreements, …. are what nit together the story that we tell …
and help us share those stories and their deeds with whom we are creating.
Why do you bring it up in this context?
for example, if your adgenda is not to cooperate … if you are otherness to that cooperation … then we are not talking about an attraction ….
Others have a phobia of contrary views.
more and more i am learning how to swim in disagreeable and turbulent waters in the #world.
and, strangely enough, i have no fear of swimming in turbulent waters …
in a way it is more exciting than placid ones.
Even in that situation you suggest, only attraction operates. Many have explained how this works from Ouspenski to Abraham and many others. There is only attraction. Repelling is a phenomena yes, but it is one that is based upon the basic elements of attraction. Just like in physics there is only tension. Compression can only exist because of the tension between molecules and atoms. Compression is a complexity of tensional forces … repulsion is a complexity of attracting forces.
Perhaps that challenge exists for you, #Magor. It does not exist for me, the bouncing tigger.
but they are relative to an observer …
so that if you are only measuring relative to yourself, you could consistently believe
(and apparently do)
that repelling was dependent on attracting.
You are simply misinformed seth. Even several treatments in modern science talk about the force of tension being the only actual one. In fact, I don’t really know where to find it, but I remember something from Steiner in that direction, if not exactly that. And Ouspensky explains it all in great detail in his New Mode of the Universe and ties it together with the law of 3.
The idea that they are two different things is oldschool.
What works better for me is just not experiencing anger at all. in fact, every time i have ever gotten angry, i have noticed afterward that it was something that i was doing myself, and could in no way be blamed (or sourced) in the #world. Why would i ever want to hold onto anger?
talk to my friend #EricReiter … trust me, he know about tension intimately and creatively … i have even worked on projects with him on that. That actually might be an interesting dialogue to have … #shucks if you are willing i could even set it up to happen.
Eric has built a glass house out of old ideas, and it is a fine house indeed, but still made entirely out of old ideas and will break easily when stressed. And whatever you learned about physics 40 years ago has little to do with physics today. Physics, like all things, evolves, and rapidly in these times … and authentic evolution is as much a process of shedding concepts as it is bringing in new ones.
but it kind of does explain why some of your #LOA is not working here.
You run only on your own self reflexive attraction … notwistanding that the #world does not.
One cannot fully engineer all effects possible to be experienced when one does not see clearly how repulsion is a special case of attraction.
You have certainly produced a real siny jewl in your statement above, “What is happening in Sweden? (comment 72707)”, #fabana
Out here in the #world to you, i am must presume it is consistent with all of your beliefs.
But to me it appears you are running away from a #edge that you wish (or presume) was not there.
Your please do “ignore you” means without anyone like me reading your comments you will remain in your bubble.
nice rwg going over #nothing
Are you are talking about the bubble of mutual agreement and cooperation? If so, then yes obviously, it is the agreements inside that bubble that sustain it. Bubbles, #ego’s and #groups are a great invention by God almighty … they are mini #edges … are they not?
This extends fully into the physical properties of the world. We can mathematically represent repulsion, and for most things in math and engineering it works fine. But there are some things that cannot be obtained by modeling repulsion. Anti-gravity is one of those things and why we don’t have it yet as a culture. Gravity is one of the most pure representations of the #LOA in physical form, and anti-gravity cannot be fully understood until it is understood in terms of attraction only, not repulsion as people try and model it. Tesla knew this, and also knew that even electricity is mono-polar and his ideas were striken out of textbooks of the era by Edison and Rockefeller.
You have learned classic duality physics. You have not learned real physics.
But you generalize that to the #world objectively. That generalization is just a story. That story is not consistent with my experience … or my knowledge of the world. I really do think you need to do some research there which is not already biased by your faith in #WABBET’s
You could even look at it this way …
#EricReiter (and other knowledge) has been #manifested in your world …
try to push those away just as hard as you canseth
Now, I have used these principles many times to actually do many things (not just theorize about them as you, and even Eric, are doing). Now I know for sure that classic physics is simply a smaller view, a box inside a box, of the real physics of reality. And the more I do apply the bigger physics, the more it works and expands my understanding, in every aspect of my life. Watch and see even more!
And #BTW, even #GW understood this. Much of my early information came straight out of his library, especially my learnings about Tesla.
me, i am really just concerned with what is happening over here …
which is in the #world to you. it is not in yourself.
but tiz true that my shit is mine … and your shit is yours … if we need to parse out ownership.
re: “the only place they mix is in the reflection we observe”
… er, well they mix in the #world. That sure seems like the best way for us to talk about our shit together. I’m sorry, i love you, your way is far too confusing for a simple and direct man like myself.
I am helping teach the new way to children today so that they don’t have to go through all that. The new way is easier and more intuitive for them to learn too, which is easier for both of us … and giving them tools to take reality far beyond where it has gone before.
You do not see him as he is … that is a #LIE.
You see him only in relationship to the shit you are making up about him …
most of which is wildly factually demonstrably false.
Pretty much just like you do with me.
That statement is wildly factually demonstratively false and more like the shitting upon that Mark does than anything else. It’s pure diatribe. I go to great lengths to show you the facts that represent the things I advocate. It is not my fault you do your left turns. The stuff I know works and works well. Much better than the old school stuff you are calling your facts. I can demonstrate what I teach over and over anytime anyone wishes me to.
For whatever reason, you are simply bitter right now. It’s that simple.