rationalizing telling lies

nathan  in the context of “Should presidents tweet? (comment 70614)” says …

Well this rings a dead false to me “Now tweeting is the same as talking … and so the same as thinking.”  Thinking and talking hardly relate to each other and you say in this statement that they are equivalent. Thinking is what you do, talking is what you want others to think you are thinking if you are self focused, and what you want them to think themselves if you are other focused. Neither are directly related to what you think except perhaps in .01% of the population … people with Downs Syndrome for instance.

Seth, analyzes nathans words as folows ...
talking is what you want others to think you are thinking    [in some multiverses]
talking is what you want others to think themselves              [in some other multiverses]
About which Seth says …
[that] sounds like rationalization for telling #lies null … or thinking them, which really is the same thing null


to which  Miami responds ...
Thinking lies and telling lies IS NOT THE SAME THING at all. Thinking creates reality. Thinking a lie creates something other than what you want to experience. Telling a lie creates social drama, but does not create reality. The reality one experiences after the telling of a lie is only a reflection, the after affect of the belief … and did not have to be ones experience. What one thinks becomes ones experience.

Neither of those justify anything. I don’t know why you always frame things as “this justifies lieing” or “this other thing justifies treating other thusly”, etc. People should be authentic and that has no justification. The idea that what people do requires justification, or is influenced by justification, is very old school … from back in the days when people looked for authentication of their experience from the outside and from authority.
#lies #rationalizations #rationalizing

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The idea that what people do requires justification, or is influenced by justification, is very old school … from back in the days when people looked for authentication of their experience from the outside and from authority.
 

nathan

Well i certainly agree that people do not need to #rationalize or justify what they think, feel, and do after the fact.  After the fact, it is a waste of energy … before the fact, it might prevent a crime.  I learned that a long time ago.  It was common knowledge in the culture in which i grew up, circa 1950-1970.  It was not a new idea then, and it is not a new idea now. 

seeAlso “Do what thou wilt!”. 
 

Thinking creates reality.

nathan

Thinking helps create experience.  Experience is subjective.  It is private. 

Thinking  does not directly effect what happens as observed objectively. 
Rather  thinking can effect what you do,
and what you do can effect what happens which can be observed objectively. 

Bozo Faust 2017

#BozoSayings 

Talking is what some people do when they want others to think that they are actually thinking. 


With all the talking going on & the twits twittering there is very little actual listening happening to all that talking. null – jaw muscle & vocal cord yoga notwithstanding!



null yep the  #masses  do no create new thoughs

… rather they just recycle old ones …

… hardly even #listening to them.

Nevertheless tweets are public #representation’s of thoughts

tweets are public #representation’s of thoughts

— Seth Russell (@SethRussell) January 21, 2017
#tweets