Socrates Cafe Question: Should presidents tweet?
Now i don’t know about you, but i sure as hell want to know what my president is thinking.
#Trump #Twitter #tweeting #thinking #saying #SocratesCafe
But we discussed: What is the value of happy?
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And especially in Trump’s case, I would say that his tweeting has almost nothing to do with what Trump is thinking. I would say his tweeting has to do with what he want’s you to be thinking!
you bring up how this person is talking … how what they are saing is connected to what they are thinking. But how a person connects what that say with what they think is in fact what i want to know about them. That is what leads the country.
Thinking and talking hardly relate to each other and you say in this statement that they are equivalent. Thinking is what you do, talking is what you want others to think you are thinking if you are self focused, and what you want them to think themselves if you are other focused. Neither are directly related to what you think except perhaps in .01% of the population … people with Downs Syndrome for instance.
The vernacular for that is “talking out of both sides of your neck”
There is of course another difference … when we think we don’t usually vibrate our vocal cords. But i have seen lots of people who do. But traditionally no, people don’t usually think out loud.
Sorry you got taught the old way of factoring these behaviors. Most people before now have gotten indoctrinated in that way of thinking about thinking and saying. You might try the new way before you knee jerk into the old. I find it clarifies and factors some very nasty confusions.
#thinking #saying #writing #telling
It is relatively difficult, not impossible, to hold onto a thought without some words or pictures to anchor it for while out of the cosmic ooze.
… which is just sooo true
So when we are thinking, saying words for our thoughts silently is a way of “holding on to them and keeping them from the cosmic ooze”. Saying them out loud with our vocal chords does that even more. Writing them down on paper or keyboard and an electric screen holds on to them even better. Tweeting them is the new way which also collects their audience. The bigger the audience, the stronger the anchor.
#thanks → mark for anchoring that thought to mine
me, i love how my thoughts get used by others it is my favorite thing
personally i liked nathan’s dramatic introduction of clones … #kudos → nathan
it has shown us, me thinks, how to change things to eliminate such confusions.
i screen snapped your last comment and put it on the clone here → “(clone) Should presidents tweet? (comment 70587)” . feel free to read that and let it provoke your responses above if you feel the need.
It is simple. If you think you are going to actually have any idea what Trump is thinking, as you clearly stated above, you are in for a rough ride and a big surprise. Know that. It is true.
Trump is a great example … trouble is he lies out loud.
Now determining if he has a feeling that what he thinks or says #RingsTrue to him is another matter entirely. Attach a good lie detector to him when he tweets … that might help. Or more simply just see if what he says is consistent with other common knowledge of the citizens of America. Or maybe even understand that he intends to do like you like to do and create his (our) reality by his thoughts.
I only say one thing. I say Trump says exactly what he thinks will make you think what he wants you to think. That may, or may not, be an actual #LIE. The definition of a #LIE is very clear.
You seem to think that because he doesn’t parrot your idea of what truth is, he is lieing.
the thing with trump here is that his thoughts (tweets, execuitive orders, addresses to congress, thoughts, addresses to the American people, political rallies) is going to be changing the world order
… you know, just like you love to do with your own thoughts … how many times have you told me that … has it slipped your mind?
Trump is actually “with it”, up on the leading edge, being authentic and thus honorable. It is your faulty reasoning borrowed from a different period in human history, with different needs, that is faulty and making it seem like Trump is dishonorable to you.
Trump is quite well centered in the now … up with the latest of knowledge and ability in current times … honorable … as the Antichrist would be of course. Never said I like Trump. Don’t start getting that idea. But I do understand him … and do see how you are misreading him and what is going on.
If Trump is being authentic when he thinks those kind of vindictive thoughts about others, then so be it. I am glad he actually thought them out loud in his tweets … which vindicates my answer the question raised by this thought … and also vindicates #MyVote2016.
.@CNN is in a total meltdown with their FAKE NEWS because their ratings are tanking since election and their credibility will soon be gone!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2017
sounds like rationalization for telling #lies … or thinking them, which really is the same thing
talking is what you want others to think you are thinking [in some multiverses]
talking is what you want others to think themselves [in some other multiverses]
Neither of those justify anything. I don’t know why you always frame things as “this justifies lieing” or “this other thing justifies treating other thusly”, etc. People should be authentic and that has no justification. The idea that what people do requires justification, or is influenced by justification, is very old school … from back in the days when people looked for authentication of their experience from the outside and from authority.
if Trump does not feel his tweets ring true to himself, then he is telling a lie to his audience. That would certainly explain many of his tweets. And, yes nathan, i quite know that.
You cannot hold that thinking and speaking are radically different things (like you doubtlessly do) and understand these #edges as i am describing them. To understad, you must ASSUME ON FAITH that they ARE the same thing … the only difference being the audience and often the media of representation.
… but on the other hand let us suppose that most of #Trump’s tweets and other sayings are #RingingTrue to himself. I am actually betting than many of them do.
← then #Trump is doing this.
In either case #Trump’s tweets ARE his thoughts to the audience he has in that particular moment of that thought.
… and yes, i can presume that many of his thoughts are private and addressed just to himself.
Strangely enough, i am betting that he does not do quite so many of those private thoughts as do you or i. But #IDoNotKnow … that is just me #MakeShitUp’ing.
then there is the reality that we make up.
hankering back to “Outside/Inside VS Belief/Facts” …
|the outside social reality that we share||our inside world that we make up|
|the outside natural reality that we share||our inside nature|
er, maybe that was not an intention of which you were aware …
but that was the effect the knowledge i absorbed from your utterance had on me.
but actually the contexts named by these two orthogonal distinctions keeps giving and giving.
too bad it is not a #wallaby you care to share with me
but to see how that might work, first you have to take it on face value and understand what is being represented. that is not something that will happen as we play #juice games with each other.
or edited as my tweet … er, “public thought” ...