But your term “model of integrity” caught my eye. Apparently missed in this train of thought was my model of integrity: #VooDooDolls (comment 66307). Strange thing about how i composed that one … and i really mean that it was strange. It does match a lot of the stuff we have been talking about … especially #LOA ‘s #downstream and PR’s “effortless power” … not to meation, In the beginning was the word ... and PR’s, “my thoughts command, and my body follows”, hopefully i got the wording of that one right. Hmmm … now what was the strange thing? if you guys are still with me. Well after if wrote it, and trued it up, taking out #TooManyNotes that it did not need … well guess what? …. it rhymed.
And to this list of ways to #swim … that list of “models of integrity” … i would like to add “firm correctness” which if remember correctly, we mostly got from GW.
← here is another inpulse (rubic,advise,meme, wisdom, etc).
… despite it having been used to sell tennis shoes.
Please do provide more direct links to whatever references above which you understand.
And at the same time, ALL of what one experiences, one has created though one’s own thought.
I walked along Miami beach this morning, enjoying amazing new delights … and was able to notice how every grand thing that I was able to become aware of was born into existence out of my thoughts … I could follow all those trails, even though there were many thousands of them during the walk, winding back through time and space through all my thoughts in this life and others. And at the same time, there were billions of things happening in the cloud of reality around me that were not in my direct awareness … those were the things I did not think … they did not manifest into my direct awareness, only into my direct knowing that they were there, just beyond my sensory experience.
… except when you say, “And at the same time, ALL of what one experiences, one has created though one’s own thought”, you should speak just for yourself, because you quite know (if you have heard what i have said) that does not obtain over here.
http://tinyurl.com/htskzya ← the distinctions start on page 3 .
i do it all the time. Feels real good.
But I don’t brag about them.
My actual reality is bigger than i can just think myself
But it does. That is how reality works. Your’s too. That you limit your perception to only a subset of what is available is just what you do. You could have an awareness of every thought you think and how it obtains the experience you are having. But you don’t. And that you know you can, but still don’t, makes it your choice.
It’s like saying “I only drink Auqafina water, and because that’s all I obtain, that’s clearly the only kind of water there is”. You go to the store and all you see on the shelves is Auqafina water. There are more brands at most stores, but something always distracts your attention, because of your belief bias, so that all you happen to see is the big section with the Auqafina water. You go home, and look in your cupboard, and see Auqafina water, reinforcing your solid experience that there is only Auqafina water. If anyone tells you there are other kinds of water, you go over your experience, find nothing else, and say “no, I only experience Auqafina water. That is what I obtain. That is what is out there on the shelves and in my cupboard. My experience does not support your assertion that there are other kinds of water.”
My actual reality is bigger than i can just think myself
I said that too:
You are not drawing a distinction between your reality and that which is not your realty. i.e. you are not honoring that your reality is your experience of it. You are lumping all reality together as if it were all one single thing that all must share and vi for … it is not. Even you have said that it is not elsewhere here. But, you are not accustomed to thinking in the total scope of what this means, so without realizing it, you are mixing models.
there were billions of things happening in the cloud of reality around me that were not in my direct awareness
So in this case, I speak for both of us because I am speaking about the larger available model. You speak for you, because you are speaking about a subset of that model that only you use.
You might want to hear what i told you about that situation in “I can walk and chew gum”.
The real #aug you are feeling is not my speaking for you. The real #aug you are feeling is the dissonance between the desires and beliefs of your greater self, and your smaller self-serving intention to hold onto your personal view. Abraham talks about this dissonance a lot and how it operates in humans … and how to overcome it and actually resolve the #aug.
… and no, it is not that we disagree that makes it a crusade. It is you off on a rant.
This has become your mantra of self preservation. Much like Mark’s “rwg” mantra. As I said, you and Mark are nearly the same. Two half’s of a whole. Not sure how or why it is that way, but it is very clear that it is.
oh, okay … last night i did … but guess what … i got my head screded on better this morning after a good night’s sleep … kind of let a bit of my crusade to get you to see a larger world fall away … and now am hot and ready to see what we can do together.
Did you get a good night’s sleep?
I just became aware of this about a week ago. I noticed that i would start reading something and then stop … and almost have to force myself to read beyond some point. It wasnt just you it was all over the web. Now that i know why i stop listinging i am better prepared to look for the belief in the others words that differ from my own … then i can kind of partition my mind and assume their belief for myself … and read deeper into their thought. It is fun. Amazing the new things i can discover that way. But somtimes it takes letting the matter go and comming back to it with a fresh mind.
But that does not matter here. Now that you know what I was referring to, simply read my above again inserting what I meant to refer to in place of #aug.
A pain is something for which there is deeper reality. Oh sure, it too can become un-felt by pretty much the same methods … but on a entirely different scale. For example the pain i feel when i think a lie … or the pain i might feel if i burn my hand. I have always taken these pains as a clear signal not to do that which is causing the pain. Aug’s are similar … they are a clear signal not to think that way. I was copping a grand little #aug about you last night. This morning that aug is gone.
just like you recognized that #RWG happens and you named it.
You do realize that your reality experience you are having right now is a delayed result of your thoughts, not representing the thoughts you are having right now?
If you were thinking something like this last night … now would be about the right time for that to be playing back into your reality as your current experience. No wonder you are experiencing this version of me right now.
What happens normally, is people have this cycle of experience, and then because what is happening now reinforces the earlier negative thoughts, they come back now, and the cycle repeats and reinforces. However, knowing this cycle exists allows one to change the cycle any way they want anytime they want … break it for instance … or insert something new now … which will obtain in several more hours.
Exact Example says more than the word!
.. BC1 (*)
seems that #TooManyNotes meme actually obtains … at least in #poetry.
… a reader in their right mind may well supply that part atomatically.
Is this more direct?
Is it interesting to have noticed the evolution of this poem from where it started in #VooDooDolls (comment 66307).
What “thinking really is” is not something that i want to think about in the context of this poem.
Yes. Do you?
Y’all give thinking special powers, but do you grock or grasp thinking for what it really IS? ~Mark
Don’t really see what it has to do with integrity by any of the definitions.
Seems like a poetic list of the things that rock seth’s world, what he finds interesting, collected together.
Not much other connections between the parts, except for Seth.
I would probably call this – an instance of Seth.
It is *my* definition of #integrity just as it says.
It is how my #thinking is connecting to my #deeds when i #LoaSwim with what *i* call “#integrity”.
or in other words, the poem relates the things in the poem to each other … and names that relationship “integrity” and/or “authenticity”.
i could actually mentograph it … but that would be just another media for the thing.
Thinking ← one of your favorite terms.
Ringing true and/or truing up ← your favorite passtime.
Deeds ← how you believe reality is created
Doing ← what you fixate on as an alternative way of getting things instead of doing energy work.
See? It is a list of your favorite attributes and processes of the reality you advocate.
but many of your descriptions would be a lie were i to think them.
the point of the poem is not a list of unrelated things “cherry picked from my experience”. but rather the relationship those things have to each other.
Beyond your personal attachment to these particular things, I can’t see how they relate to the general terms integrity and authenticity. They are not how those things are commonly defined and would not even be in the ballpark of how I would define them.
Ok, basically you are saying that you do not understand the poem as i have created it. Not an unusual occurance. In this case i showed how the poem evolved from its context of orign. You are free to follow that, http://www.fastblogit.com/thought/22302#66307 , or make up your own interpertation. That is the way peoms work.
In this case my original descriptions restrained the universe much more than was absolutely necessary for the intended effect of the poem. so i removed as many of those extraneous restraints as i could and so that the original relationships could be more generalized and apply in more multiverses (contexts) … even perchance in ones that you like yourself.
Integrity is ones ability to do what excites them, no matter how easy, hard, or logical it is. That’s true integrity. One who does that can be trusted beyond all measure, and is a natural leader and is sought out as a companion by most. Find anyone you believe has high integrity and examine this quality in them, you will find it present in abundance. It is the actual indicator underlying integrity, not all the things most people point to that are only effects of integrity, not integrity itself.
Authenticity is ones ability to act straight from what they know is true and active, directly from their belief, without any intervening pattern. For instance, if one knows, believes, that another did a good job, but doesn’t say that straight out, because it makes them feel unsafe or vulnerable, or because their ego won’t allow them to, then one is not being authentic. Authenticity is how well your words and actions match what you know and believe at your most naked core of beingness, no matter how you think doing so will affect you.
What integrity and authenticity have in common are that they are both based on an ability to obtain from core, not logic, or defense … but beyond that they have different bases, and different artillery of actions.
The “power” is essential … that describes the “effortless power”, the deed with no opposition, the possibilities showing up just when i need them, the joy of the swim. The power part is learned then trusted by faith.
However it differs starkly with mark’s version where promises are made and then must be held to. I am not saying that does not work for many … just not me … “not my tempo” as the band leader said ← see the excellant movie Wiplash.
Excitement, and Belief.
Without those keywords, the concepts are incomplete to me.
Yea, Mark’s version is very oldschool, I agree. It’s from a different era of humanity.
our excitements are so different that i doubt that we should honestly use the same word. but whatever it means to us it stands in the poem motivating thinking and the doing … integrety and/or authenticity are words for how closely those different dimensions connect.
Had to put the “IF” in there since #RingsTrue is just a metaphor & the direct experience of what seth says is his own & not something that can show up in a #PileOfWords or a #PileOfEgo.
going dark on this #pile much later if at all.
Yes I agree. Similar to what I said. This poem, though charming and enjoyable, is more about seth’s chosen internal process for experiencing than it is about integrity or authenticity as actual concepts. It differentiates what Seth does from what many others do, and amplifies the aspects of experience that are most important to Seth … but does not zero in, even metaphorically, on what integrity actually is. It is a good poem, but should probably have a different name.
The poem just seems to say that @seth connects thoughts to his deeds if the thoughts are true (#RingsTrue)
Has nothing to do with this poem at all. These words are simply mark eating his own shit and sharing that with the world as his ego selfie. True story, and you know it.
i.e. a #PileOfEgo . Often such is the case where #PileOfWords are involved.
Close. But there is no (If,then) implied by the poem. Nor is there in my experience. Which is part of the mystery of seth. An #IfThen in there makes me a machine, quite less than human. The poem (especially earlier versions of it) explicitidly says that the power is tied in direct proportion to the connection of #RingsTrue with #deed. The #IfThen would have restrined my universe too much.
“Other than that there are a lot of extra words here. i.e. a ‘PileOfEgo’” ~ Mark
Well last night i was trying to imagine how i would mentograph the situation … not just the words of the poem … but the situation itself. It dawned on me that i would mentograph my ego (represented by the word “I” in the poem) the same way i mentograph a context (shown in link) … in other words as a container … a porus, variable container #manifold. As such what is inside the container could be considered a “pile” but that would kind of disrespect it. i see it more as a set of interacting elements or #BeIng’s.
#ISwim is more complete.