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by seth on [group seth] at 2015-05-27 10:27:08, changed 2015-05-27 10:29:32 [permalink 18360]



by Eiamistic on [group mark] at 2015-05-27 07:14:01 [permalink 18359]



A drawing of NOWs in my life





The three major functions of our being navigate it within the world.


Inside the skin of our being is our history ... our habits ... the vectors of our functions change us into the future.

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thoughts and feelings and actions push and pull us in various arrangements

as we flow into the dynamic world of event and interaction with others

some of us sometimes swim with the current

others times against it

The river of our culture comprises history ... cultural habits ... moving into the future.


Note the orientation of the though, feeling, and willing vectors of each NOW vary as well as their orientation to the external stream.
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to understand this representation, picture the arrows in various configurations.  each now in the stream is probably different.  some are all oriented together, others twist and conflict or confuse each other. 

i have not invented a grammar of these yet, and probably never will.  so the specifics of the configurations pictured here are insignifiant ... what is significant is that there are vectors pulling with and or against each other and the stream itself and even the past. 
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the background of the diagram above should be more like Lynn's picture of the proverbial river ...


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This wallyby-model-symbol of life would be better expressed as a art form ... perhaps even with Chinese brush strokes.

it represents abstractly experiences of life in relation to the flow of external events with emphasis on thinking, feeling, and doing.

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looking in my own blog for a friend about Black River i found one of my own pictures that is just about as close as i can get to the intention behind the rendition above... it is a Blue Huron flying over the south side treatment facility.



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... or with more tranquility ...  like this

thanks Andres M. Trianon for your post.

by seth on [group seth] at 2014-04-17 07:57:27, changed 2015-05-26 17:15:30 [permalink 17301]




regarding laura sweeney's post on Facebook here

Life representing Art

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source: private chat with laura sweeney

zoom to Google Maps

Any help you're offering, I'll accept! The address is 641 Lucas Creek Rd Chehalis, WA 98532. The property is on the north side of the road, up an inclined driveway. The couple I mentioned are Carl and Lorna Smith, and it's Lorna's family property. Their farm across the street is Twin Brooks. SUPER nice folks!


It's a very pretty drive; about 20 min east off I-5 through beautiful farm country. Perhaps 45 min from Oly total. Let me know if you go!

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I already let Lorna know that you might be stopping by. I don't know if they'll be around to show it, but I suggest you give her a call at 360-262-3169 and see if you all can dovetail a visit. I'll be excited to hear your impressions.

 
The Google zoom map actually shows the creeks and Lucas Creek Road  and the two farm parcels on both sides of the road ...
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and another view of the area from Google Earth. 


Note that this farm is in the foothills of the Cascade mountain range.



Google earth places the marker for the house in the wrong place.  The actual house, photographed below, is to the left of the "drive way". 


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and another view of the property ...


pictured below is a view of the "orchard" where there are apples, plum, and nut trees.  the orchard is in the lower right of the Google's satellite view.


by seth on [group seth] at 2015-05-22 13:48:39, changed 2015-05-26 14:29:56 [permalink 18352]





(1) "Representing something makes it shareable." -- Bozo Faust

Conversely that which has not been represented, is not shareable.

Are there any contra-factual examples?

seems that something can be and still not be *represented* in any mind ... it just is .  once represented things change in a distinct way.  this is experiential, not conceptual.  i conclude it by watching things that have not been represented in my mind and how they change once they are represented in my mind.  i also think the same goes for society at large.  almost necessarily.   if there is no representation of something (whether it is or not), then there is no possible way that it can be shared. 

if you have experienced a contra example, i would like to know what it is. 

What is the connection between "representing something changes it and makes it sharable" and the "Islamic State" destroying historic monuments?

part of this might be discussed on this facebook item.

source:in my comment on facebook

ISIS is destroying cultural artifacts because they presume that will prevent us from sharing what they represent. I'm thinking, would they be absolutely completely successful in destroying all representations of Christianity and Western Culture, then in fact they could establish the Islamic State that they intend.

This connection between our representations and what actually is experienced is a fact of our human predicament. I don't think it can be just wished away.


Incidentally there is the ancient wisdom stated in the 2nd commandment, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image".  ... now here comes the complexity ... the deeper proposition which this item is all about:   The old wisdom should only be narrowly interpreted ... for we cannot share that which we cannot represent (1). 
by seth on [group seth] at 2015-05-21 10:30:39, changed 2015-05-26 04:30:21 [permalink 18348]



LOA is not an excuse to blame the victim

I have just declared this item a no fallacy zone. 

If person A completely manifests all that he experiences ... and person B completely manifests all that he experiences, then person A never ever senses person B.  and visa versa.  It is only when the one can effect the other that anything between them actually happens.  LOA seems oblivious to that fact in their story.  LOA is all about attracting what excites one individual (you) ... which is fine ... but incomplete.

Life is not something in service of just one individual experience. 

dissonance is not something just in the eye of one beholder.  it is a fallacy to say to another that if they percieve dissonance, it is their fault, and they should just change their perception to harmony.  especially if you are involved in creating that dissonance.   that is like hitting somone and then saying to them, you made me do it.   that is denying your effect on others.  i think this is the part of LOA that needs to be changed. 

To deny someone's effect on you, is as much of a error, as denying your effect on them.  Focusing on what excites you will attract it, but that should not be used as an excuse to deny effect of one person on another. 

The LOA philosophy does not support blaming the victim, but i have found many examples of people who have used that philosophy to justify criticizing others for not denying others effect on themselves ... and denying their effect on others.  Fact is people do engage with each other and effect each other ... that engagement is what creates the best of what humanity can be.

Any denial of effect denies shared consequences.  Such a denial can be a person's not taking responsibility their own experience and behavior ... or denying that another has the responsitility for theirs.  Such denials can use used to imagine an omnipotence which cannot be shared with others.
by seth on [group seth] at 2015-05-22 16:58:30, changed 2015-05-26 04:28:29 [permalink 18353]



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