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source: Richard Doyle expands on this idea:

"It gets curiouser and curiouser... for it is also the case that the language we use to describe an experience becomes part of the experience. So our description feeds back onto the experience itself."  In other words, even the words we use to map and make sense of our experience, actually change our experience, in an infinite recursive feedback loop.

... and here is another interesting article to read while thinking about how saying something out loud in our culture affects "what is so"



Not a Very P.C. Thing to Say



by seth on [group seth] at 2015-01-27 07:31:33, changed 2015-01-28 10:47:35 [permalink 18096]




Every person has problems.  While these perdicaments can be the source of suffering they are also the source of joy and passion.  They end up being what our lives are all about. 

Society at large also has problems and perdicaments that become the source of suffering as well as the souce of joy and passion and love. 

i think most people have not realized that the societies problems are the mosaic of every person's personal problems.  These are the same thingies. 

We see this lack of realization when people talk of societies problems apart from their own ... as if they were separate and unrelated ... as if societies problems were other people's problems. 

This way of talking should not be oblivious to the fact that the personal predicaments interact with each other creating the human fabric ... it is not just isolated static pictures as in a artist's mosaic. 
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by seth on [group seth] at 2015-01-26 06:49:26, changed 2015-01-28 09:02:52 [permalink 18092]






well of course i have to try this.   see also d'a on facebook.
by seth on [group seth] at 2015-01-28 08:10:07, changed 2015-01-28 08:11:11 [permalink 18098]
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Eiamyme 2015-01-28 08:39:57 [item 18098]
I saw something like this on Dr. Oz.  I'm not buying it.  I drink my coffee black like espresso.

well i don't think i will be always drinking my coffee this way ... if i want a stronger buzz, i will just drink stronger coffee ... but i still want to experience what d'a is talking about here
source: d'Artagnan Evergreen Barbosa

Yea. It no replace breakfast for me. I just like the taste and the smoother and longer lasting buzz.

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Words Mean Nothing - The RWG gets Easier
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When words mean nothing then the ME(I) is all that is left to shout & proclaim.  The good news is that the RWG disappears from words but probably remains in sign language ...

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such has been somewhat predicted before:
CH.2,verse 32
"Also reason is a lie; for there is a factor infinite & unknown; & all their words are skew-wise."

by Eiamyme on [group mark] at 2015-01-27 09:32:36, changed 2015-01-27 11:26:07 [permalink 18097]
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seth 2015-01-27 20:03:02 [item 18097]
your title might make some sense to me if it specified to whom which words have no meaning.  for example, the word "Mark" has no meaning to a mouse.  sans that kind of rational communication this whole item just means to me that you are trying to degrade the use of our language. 
Nope! it is more appropriate to the about [item 18096] - a word treated as just part of the experience infinite loop loses meaning except to he who is having the experience; proclaiming the Me(I); losing definition as belonging to someone else.

seth 2015-01-28 07:32:38 [item 18097]
Eiamyme 2015-01-28 00:52:59 [item 18097]
seth 2015-01-27 20:03:02 [item 18097]
your title might make some sense to me if it specified to whom which words have no meaning.  for example, the word "Mark" has no meaning to a mouse.  sans that kind of rational communication this whole item just means to me that you are trying to degrade the use of our language. 
Nope! it is more appropriate to the about [item 18096] - a word treated as just part of the experience infinite loop loses meaning except to he who is having the experience; proclaiming the Me(I); losing definition as belonging to someone else.


well yes .... of course word meanings must be shared, else they are no good for the purposes of communication.  there i nothing in the symbols themselves that mean anything.  if that is what your title is saying, then kudos, i agree.
I say there is a sense for language. I can usually tell if someone I am talking to F2F understands & groks what I am pointing at with my words & communication (posture, body language, expression & the rest) For quite a while now I have been pointing at a common frailty of most people I have met or read in that they have a real hard time distinguishing between what's so & the munge of shit running around inside their minds.  Such happens so strongly in most people I have met that words lose meanings & real communication rarely happens. The phenomenon is exploited most often for nefarious ends & sometimes lies & for others hangs out in unconscious satisfaction or lack there of - a mere semblance of communication.  I think the best name for the phenbomena is Tower of Babel - II.

Eiamyme 2015-01-28 08:00:48 [item 18097]
seth 2015-01-28 07:32:38 [item 18097]
Eiamyme 2015-01-28 00:52:59 [item 18097]
seth 2015-01-27 20:03:02 [item 18097]
your title might make some sense to me if it specified to whom which words have no meaning.  for example, the word "Mark" has no meaning to a mouse.  sans that kind of rational communication this whole item just means to me that you are trying to degrade the use of our language. 
Nope! it is more appropriate to the about [item 18096] - a word treated as just part of the experience infinite loop loses meaning except to he who is having the experience; proclaiming the Me(I); losing definition as belonging to someone else.


well yes .... of course word meanings must be shared, else they are no good for the purposes of communication.  there i nothing in the symbols themselves that mean anything.  if that is what your title is saying, then kudos, i agree.
I say there is a sense for language. I can usually tell if someone I am talking to F2F understands & groks what I am pointing at with my words & communication (posture, body language, expression & the rest) For quite a while now I have been pointing at a common frailty of most people I have met or read in that they have a real hard time distinguishing between what's so & the munge of shit running around inside their minds.  Such happens so strongly in most people I have met that words lose meanings & real communication rarely happens. The phenomenon is exploited most often for nefarious ends & sometimes lies & for others hangs out in unconscious satisfaction or lack there of - a mere semblance of communication.  I think the best name for the phenbomena is Tower of Babel - II.


Well certainly there is a sense for language.  I believe there is undeniable neurological evidence for the existence of that sense "organ".

On the other hand i know of no evidence for any particular sense organ which tells us "what's so". It seems to me knowledge of what is so emerges holistically and socially as an entire human being interacts with what actually is so in their environment.   Then that knowledge gets expressed in language, as best it can with the vocabulary available, from the subjective perspective of some individual who realizes it.  

Let's face it, the emergence of actual knowledge of what-is-so is frail indeed ... and is especially prone to confusion and corruption between what seems true to self subjectively as opposed to what would be true to others in a larger context exclusive of self. 



that said ... i too have noticed the tower of babble happening today with politicians in particular attempt to manipulate what is so with subjective word salad.



The Northeast Storm of 2015

CNN says this is historic.   How much of that is actual weather and how much is media hype? 

apparently as time moves to the event the anticipation was not manifested



my take on this also on facebook
by seth on [group seth] at 2015-01-26 07:10:38, changed 2015-01-27 05:30:58 [permalink 18093]



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