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Nature and Our Ideals
About: nature/ideals: nature and our ideals
source: by Marie Eugenie delle Grazie

Nature

With iron bonds Nature, your procreator
Holds and chains you fast to dust and decay.
Nature, the luring monster, smiling, sun golden,
one moment spurning you on to furious joy of being,
but soon bearing horror and want,
whipping you with the switch of misery,
always destroying and also cryptic,
always Medusa and Sphinx in one.

Through your pulse races and chases in feverish beat
her merciless law,
the eternal law of destruction.
She gave you the will and the force to destroy yourself,
" but to save yourself " this you can never, ever do!

We are all pulling her triumphal chariot "
panting, drenched with sweat and yet in bliss:
because Hope and happiness and every kind of delusion
are swinging as mirages in front of us,
created for us, to mock us:
and we, the army of slaves, poisoned by longing,
call them Ideals "

Thus we storm ahead in languishing haste and mad pursuit
until treacherously, strength abandons us.
The Life Breath dwindles, and farther away than ever
Our goal hovers on gilded clouds,
until helpless and panting, we break down "
Then she cheers demonically! Then she calls out
her cruel “Evoe!” and reins
the brazen spokes of her Biga on,
crushing thousands of victims ...

... Rudolph Steiner's  letter (see about link) in response to her poem is what this item is about.  This was also discussed on Mark's facebook wall after Nathan found it and said he was aligned with it also.

In his letter Steiner characterizes "the discord of nature and spirit".  He asks "Are not our ideals, -- if they are truly living entities (individualities) -- beings existing in themselves, independent of the favors and disfavors of nature?".



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by seth on [group seth] at 2013-05-23 10:12:34, changed 2013-05-23 10:41:40 [permalink 16537]
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I've held the last comment on ideals as beings from my teens & beyond.

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Otherness


It is green and brown in the forest ...

with startling exceptions.

It the world we get pretty much what we expect ...

with startling exceptions.

I love them ...

for they are otherness.



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Otherness is all which I am not ... that which i do not understand ... that which i do not control ... that which i have not made. 

Part of otherness i do not even know ... have not even seen or heard ... part of it ... well almost all of it to be honest ... i am totally ignorant ... i don't even know it exists but i suspect that it does.  It is pervasive. 

i can get to know it ... transforming it, for me, into not so pure otherness. 

Of course i can get to know otherness ... i can see it ... i can hear it ... i can smell it .. i can taste it ... i can feel it.   i can even imagine it and think about it.   i can interact with it ... transact with it ... talk to it ... and dance with it.   The more i interact with it, the more i touch it, the less other it become ... it transforms me and i transform it.

I write these words ... as such they are me.  You, however, read them, puzzle their meaning to me or to yourself.  

You are otheness to me.  I am otherness to you.  Well not exactly ... we can know each other ... you can read my words ... we can talk ... we can interact ... we can become aware of each other.  But, sans that interaction, that getting to know each other we start out as otherness.  well almost otherness, for you breath like i do, you can feel like i do and hurt like i do and love like i do.  silll and all, mostly i don not know you ... i was not there when you took your first step ... or had your first kiss ... or first saw the ocean ... or first were beaten by your father.   Mostly your history is unknown and foreign to me ... i did not share it ... mostly i do now even know about it ... so mostly you are otherness to me.

i can like otherness ... i can love it ... i can dislike it ... i can hate it.  i can get to know it transforming it in small portion into me. 

I cannot honestly wish otherness away.  Not that i want to.  I do love the stuff .
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by seth on [group seth] at 2013-05-20 05:54:34, changed 2013-05-23 06:45:44 [permalink 16532]
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Implausible Deniability
About: implausible deniability - television tropes & idioms
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by MR on [group mark] at 2013-05-21 23:37:04 [permalink 16536]
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Prime Sieve
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by seth on [group seth] at 2013-05-20 21:02:04 [permalink 16535]
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Liberty & Freedom - American Top Values
About: We the People - video
~ This is a viral video found on YouTube which expresses my values as well - 
weakening "We the People" individually & collectively will not ultimately lead to anything good for the country, the World or humanity as a whole.
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by M on [group mark] at 2010-03-18 09:49:14, changed 2013-05-20 15:41:02 [permalink 13516]
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Democrats fight Republicans
I think both democrats and republicans are politicians and fight in Washington, the seat of our Federal government where the rights of individual citizens are enforced.

I take it that the body politic which is concerned with our rights should evolve to be independent of commerce and culture.  That, strangely enough, is part of traditional American values. 

It just now dawned on me what this fight is all about.  The Democrats are erroring on the side of bigger government taking away from the other two pillars of our threefoldness .... and the Republicans are erroring on the side of economy taking away from the other institutions.  And then by fighting they collaborate to make the body politic uppermost in our attention ... making it stronger at the expense of the other spheres of our our society. 
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by seth on [group seth] at 2013-05-20 11:09:49, changed 2013-05-20 15:25:00 [permalink 16534]
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