[item 3167] points to some interesting data. This global warming is another god that seems to want to scare.

To begin with i am very serious about cutting through the rhetoric.  I am sure that i can find as many fluff pages on the internet that scream panic as you can find that do not.  I can think of as many cute phrases to hurdle in support of the problem as you can hurdle against it.  The more of these lobs the harder it is to assertain what is really going on.  Yesterday i picked up An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore.  It is disturbing and emotional presentation, but was i was dissapointed by it's lack of references to hard data. 

What i am proposing is a systematic  examination.  To do this we need to delve deeper into the science and the scientists and examine exactly what they are saying and hold it up to rational scrutiny without the static of partisan lobbying obscuring our inquiry.  We need to find scientists we can trust.  Perhaps inevitably even interview them. 

One of the best references i have found in support of the propposition that we have a problem is Thomas J. Crowley's presentation here and the other references here.  It will take a while for a critical reading of the materials at the Paleo Perspective website ... and then too i'm not even sure this is the best place to start.  I did quickly read your references off of [item 3167] and did not find any of this caliber, but then perhaps i missed something.  If you can find actual source materials and studies that are accessable, please do publish them here or in some appropriate tag or title room. 

The current administration has not ratified the Kyoto Protocol.  But did "The Global Climate Coalition (funded by over 40 major corporate groups like Amoco, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and General Motors) began spending millions of dollars each year to derail the Kyoto Protocol" as Aaron suggests?  Why? Where is the proof of this?  How much of the articles that you are throwing my way are a result of this campaign?  I don't know.  We really need to dig deeper to find out.  

For my part I am undecided.  I think that is the best way to approach this inquiry.  I would love it, it it turns out to be that the world in the next 50 years is not going to be turning into a hot cesspool.  But if that is actually what the best evidance tells us, i want to know what i can do to prevent it.  So this inquiry is worth a bit of effort ... don't you think?

Don't forget we cannot start using the "supported by" wiki labels for our systemization untill they support the proposition in the topic of the item ... the topic of this item is [title the big stories and views that don't make major network news ...] which does not even contain a proposition.

Mark, I could not have composed a more partisan response, if i had tried.  Saying "I don't trust Gore on anything!" is the worst kind of subjective partisan rhetoric.  The Kyoto protocol is not even the issue ... that may be a side track.  The issue is whether, if we do nothing, our world will turn into a cesspool.  The materials at junkscience.com might be an interesting reading list but where is the science?  Can you be specific ?  You may want to  reread my comment above and grok that this is an unbiased non-partisan inquiry.  Please take that seriously.  It is as if we were sitting on a jury trying to decide if the world is to be doomed.   if you are going to be part of this inquiry, part of this jury, then please provide specific articles that are pertinant to the science ... articles that are pertinant to the proposition and please don't make the inquiry harder by heaping more rhetoric  on us to sort through... we need articles where we can examine the sciece and the scientists.  I really don't think that we need to be athmospheric scientist to decide.  What we do need is to find those who have studied this seriously and kick the tires of their science and of their biases.  Being on this jury is going to be a lot of work.  I can understand if you don't want to help ... but please at least don't hinder.

One thing i would like to find, or to propose is a test.  The test would be performed somtime in the not to distant future.  The test would match theory to actual measurements.  Then we could trust the theories  that more precisely predicts the measurements.   It is one thing to take theory and analize history ... but it is more convincing to have the theory predict future measurements.  Has this been done?  When is the future measurement to take place?  We need scientists on our jury ... not politicians ... or Winnies cute iconology.

This is a valid question.  Perhaps we can find the answer.  There is a lot of reading and work to be done.  Let us not waste our time with throwing rhetoric back and forth.

The story is that violent deaths have increased.  The think the comparison with Iraq is your thing.  Do you seriously doubt that Iraq is a more violent and dangerous place to live than the US ?  I suppose there might be some similarites between some places like South Central LA, and some other ghettos.  But what makes you think that this is not just natural fluxuations   ... like the temperature of the Earth? ... im mean ... where do you stick the probe .

You want the facts, those are death facts. Adding to that there were 92,837 rapes last year - that's probably more than Saddam & his sons & cabinet could get done in any year! Certainly if one had to find a hole, South Central LA might be obvious & maybe the Bronx. But, the average statistics seem similar to Iraq. The FBI has the details at [uri http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel06/prelim2005061206.htm] in case you want to massage them in some other way

Well i've lived in South Central LA.  I left just after they burned down a shopping center durnig the rioting that happened in the wake of the Rodney King beating trial.   I remember being irritated by the helocopters at night occasionally punctuated with gunfire.  But somehow i still don't think that compares with the daily bombings that are happening in Baddad.  I don't think that you can arrive at a sense of balance in these things by viewing stastics.  Perhaps reading involved bloggers like neurotic iraqi wife would be a better way to find your balance. 

Sorry does not qualify ... it made the national news on several networks last night.